Wednesday, June 20, 2007

F train petition... More press, did you sign it?

Yes, yes we're probably beating a dead horse here.... But, if you didn't sign the F train petition do it now, here! Its been getting a wee bit of press but don't think it's a done deal! Keep this thing going by getting all your neighbors and friends involved (even if they don't ride the F regularly they may want to visit). Thanks Gary!

F for frustration (Metro - 5/19/07)

9 comments:

Anonymous said...

I would not recommend getting all excited about something which will probably not happen for a very long time if at all. MTA is notorious for it's mismanagement and waste of resources. They simply do not possess the technical and engineering know how to implement anything on the scale of even the most elemental project.

Examples.


2nd Ave Subway - 70 years in planning
7th ave extension - 10 years in planning
Signal/track replacement - stalled
New subway cars - stalled
Shoddy construction and station rehabs

If you think MTA cares about service you are mistaken, MTA is a unionized monopoly that is inneficient and always overbudget.

Anonymous said...

FIrst of all... don't hate on the MTA. They provide us (however ineptly) with this country's only world-class public transportation system. We'd be better served than any other city in the US (and, arguably, the world) with either our rapid transit or our surface transit system... both together is an embarassment of riches.

Second, this differs from the projects you mention above in one inportant aspect...the infrastructure already exists. This requires, beyond the decision to make it happen, just some changes to signage. The track's there, the cars are available, they just need to make the decision.

Anonymous said...

I take the F from 15th St, and I don't think it is that bad. The G train (which I sometimes transfer to) could use more help.

Anonymous said...

Personally, I'd like to see the G's southbound terminal stop be either Kings Hwy or Coney Island, and have it handle the Brooklyn local service , and convert the F train to a Brooklyn express. Sixth Ave in Manhattan is well served by both express and local options so it would be OK to not have the extended G local go into Manhattan. Anyone travelling inbound who wanted 4th Ave, Smith/9th, Bergen or Carroll could transfer from the F to the G at 7th Ave, and outbound they could transfer at Hoyt/Schemerhorn from the 8th Avenue trains to the G local, or at Jay Street for the F express.

contrarian said...

the mta is a unionized joke.
elevator operators? please.

and before you turn blue praising the "world-class" transportation system, may I ask if you have ever been to Washington, DC? or Chicago? Or most urban cities in western and central Europe?

Anonymous said...

What's your thing with unions? And your assertion above-

"MTA is a unionized monopoly that is inneficient and always overbudget"

is flatly wrong, or haven't you noticed that MTA's had a surplus in its budget recently?

As for the monopoly part...what do you want to do, open up public transit to competition? LOL. You know why they became a public authority, right?

And yeah, I've ridden the subways and busses in (among other cities) DC, Chicago, LA, Boston, Seattle, London & Paris and yes, NYC's system is absolutely world class. 24 hour (unlike other systems! good luck after midnight in DC!), affordable, safe, fast and yeah, efficient.

Anonymous said...

NYC system maybe be 24 hour but I don't consider waiting at 3am for half hour for a train "safe, fast and efficient".

MTA is only running a surplus because of the real estate market and proceeds it gets from that.

It's operations and oversight are notoriously bad.

Most of the new station rehabs are dirty messes a year after millions spent on construction.

They simply cannot maintain stations and trains.

If people had a choice MTA would have a real problem. But people put up with it because there's no other option.

MTA could learn alot from world class systems in PAris, London, Moscow etc. The trains there run at higher average speeds and commuting doesnt take an average of an hour from most points in the boroughs.

WOrld class system my ass.
What New York City could learn from transit systems around the globe.
http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/features/11162/
(1.) DIGITAL HIGH-RESOLUTION VIDEO CAMERAS
(2.) ELECTRONIC SCREENS
(3.) A DEDICATED REVENUE SOURCE
4.) SLEEK NEW STATIONS AND TRAINS
(5.) A UNIVERSAL FARE CARD
(6.) COMPUTERIZED SIGNALING
(7.) SLIDING GLASS WALLS

Straphangers’ Warning: Fares May Have to Rise

By WILLIAM NEUMAN
Published: June 6, 2007
The budget office report was based on the authority’s projections of growing budget deficits beginning next year. The authority has said that largely because of increased interest payments on its debt, it is facing a budget shortfall of $799 million next year, $1.5 billion in 2009 and $1.8 billion in 2010.

http://www.virgin-vacations.com/site_vv/11-top-underground-transit-systems-in-the-world.asp

1. London, England
2. Paris, France
3. Moscow, Russia
7. New York City, USA

enough said...

Anonymous said...

So you're advocating opening up public transit to competition? L. O. L. You must have some sort of super PhD in Urban Planning. Yeah, privatization would work out great! And why not let some other private opearators compete by digging up streets and building competing systems of transportation!
What happened to the green line busses happend fpr a reason, you know...same as why the IND, BMT and IRT were all taken over by the city.

And you're crying about a 30 minute wait at 3am? Please. At 3am in London, for instance, the tube would have been shut for hours and you'd be walking, as there wouldn't even be taxis available.

Glad to see you're backing off of your ridiculous claim re: over budget. As for your article, there's been reports like this in every one of the last couple of years, before the surpluses were announced.

As for higher speeds...yeah , some cities have faster speeds. But good luck in London, for instance, where those higher speeds are inerrupted but hours of shutdowns on multiple lines.

If their operations and oversight are "notoriusly bad" I'm sure you have some backup for that, hmm?

And if you'd like to see better maintained stations maybe you should pony up... MTA manages to provide world-class (yes, WORLD CLASS, despite your obvious bias and petty complaints) service for next-to-nothing, comparatively. $2? You can barely get ANYTHING for $2 in NYC! BUt you can travel from Far Rockaway to Van Cortlandt Park fro $2.

The city is what it is because of its world-class public transit system, despite what petty haters have to say about it.

Anonymous said...

Try living on Staten Island without a car. We have 1 MTA train, which only goes to certain neighborhoods on one side of the island. We rely on busses, which everyone knows are a joke in terms of staying on schedules, especially with SI traffic these days. They are never on time, if they even show up. Yes, it's become that bad.

Now that we've become little brooklyn, with 2-4 family houses going up where 1 used to be, we need more trains. We rely on boats to get to the city...which are hugely expensive (yet they collect no fare), outdated and once an hour after 1am. Staten Island needs more trains - for the environment and our sanity.