Sunday, May 6, 2007

Graffiti or Art?


Taken at a lamppost on Dahill near Tehama/ Albemarle. We'd sure like it if the tags in the 'hood were covered but kinda liked this piece.

16 comments:

Anonymous said...

unfortunately graffiti is something you cant really waver on. And its hard not to since theres always at least one piece you'll like and appreciate for whatever reason. but you definitely cant say this ok but that isnt ok.

em said...

exactly, anon 10:54.

Is the blogger for murals but against graffiti? I can't believe that unsolicited paint on private property is a major community concern. I don't subscribe to the 'broken window' theory.

Anonymous said...

You guys need to loosen up.
So what? She "liked" the piece.
This blogger is doing more good things for the community than most of us, do YOU have time to start a blog about the Kensington 'hood?? Stop giving her a hard time! She's awesome!

-Kensingtonite w/out Fresh Direct Delivery

Anonymous said...

I agree with 10.18. Thanks Jen!

And, 9.51, grafitti is more than "unsolicited paint." There is a person behind it who has no concern/respect/awareness for the person who owns the property, including in many cases, the public. But that's for another thread.

And I agree with Jen--grafitti generally bad, but this makes me smile and shows some thought and skill--missing in the likes of Backfat's defacement of other's property.

Anonymous said...

Who is the ptg of anyway? P.S. I'm with you. This blog/blogger is fantastic!!!!

Anonymous said...

proviso: i am not begrudging the blog or the blogger any of her hard work in keeping this blog going...

BUT

i agree with em and anon 10:54 - and don't believe in the "broken windows" model either. why does graffiti read as art in w-burg and as trash in kensington?

of all the things to focus collective and community energies on, graffiti to me is really the smallest of potatoes. calling on the vandal squad will have deleterious effects on local youth, far in excess of the "crimes" in question. and a light pole is far different from a private home...

and do you realize that backfat is posting this blog address alongside his new tags? as long as graffiti is illegal, the "battle" will continue.

PS- for a history of NYC graffiti, i recommend watching the documentary STYLE WARS, it's quite illuminating.

Anonymous said...

To Anon 7:18
do you realize that backfat is posting this blog address alongside his new tags?

REALLY?! Where? I'm I being too literal, is someone (backfat copycat) tagging a website address? That's crazy.

em said...

Jen posts items she finds interesting. great. And she includes a comments section to promote discussion. Also great. Would you (10:18, 10:40) really enjoy this blog we all agreed? It has nothing to do with loosening up.

Anonymous said...

I'm 10.40 and would take exception to the comment above--read my comment and I support and second what Jen said and praise her.I think you mean 7.18.... And 10.18 also praises Jen and says what you just said. I think you got your posts confused (read them again. They praise Jen and agree with her post).

Moya said...

FYI, here are the posts that supposedly need to lighten up and support Jen. I think you'll find that they do and that it is other posters (i.e. the one that tells Jen she can't be inconsistent) that fit in with the tenor of your words, 9.51

nonymous said...

You guys need to loosen up.
So what? She "liked" the piece.
This blogger is doing more good things for the community than most of us, do YOU have time to start a blog about the Kensington 'hood?? Stop giving her a hard time! She's awesome!

-Kensingtonite w/out Fresh Direct Delivery

May 7, 2007 10:18 AM
Anonymous said...

I agree with 10.18. Thanks Jen!

And, 9.51, grafitti is more than "unsolicited paint." There is a person behind it who has no concern/respect/awareness for the person who owns the property, including in many cases, the public. But that's for another thread.

And I agree with Jen--grafitti generally bad, but this makes me smile and shows some thought and skill--missing in the likes of Backfat's defacement of other's property.

May 7, 2007 10:40 AM

Anonymous said...

I'm the one who first said to loosen up-you kids have nothing better to do, do you?
She commented on the piece, SFW?!
GET A LIFE!

Anonymous said...

I f*#% hate all graffiti and think that douche bag BACKFAT should go back to Seattle. As a community I believe that we should protect all private AND public property from vandals. These tags are too destructive and property owners should be compensated by these criminals when they are caught.
I really hate BACKFAT- 21 year old Charles Abamo.

Miriam said...

I think what em was trying to say is just because he disagrees with Jen doesn't mean he's tryong to give her a hard time- or that he needs to lighten up. That's why he referred to 1040 and 1018- (the posts who seem to get upset that someone disagreed with Jen and posted it) If some people disagree they don't need to 'lighten up' they're just posting their opinions, it's nothing personal- stop getting so offended.

I am curious about the backfat website thing- is that a joke?

Anonymous said...

anon 1049
She commented on a piece on a blog- people are bound to discuss it and add in their ideas about it.

On that note, I'd believe there is no difference in graffiti- It's all bad. If you're an artist you don't need to deface someone else's property to get your 'vision' across.

Anonymous said...

1.26 neither of the posts he cited were upset, both were good natured and supportive of discussion. The person who posted 10. 49 is a troll who wants to be rude (note what he says) and get attention. He needs no defense--he's just being aggressive and rude for the sake of it. (I'm assuming I'm right on the gender).

Anonymous said...

Graffiti is not art when it's been spray-painted all along the length of your home, backyard fence and newly-painted garage (for the second time). I filed a police report and luckily, the tagger was apprehended.

While my neighbor, whose home was also attacked by this "person", was able to have his garage repainted by the 66th precinct (yes, the PD), my husband and I had to spend time and dollars repainting a 100 foot stretch of our property.

An additional important question is, should our Police Department spend their resources and manpower in cleaning up the mess left behind by these vandals???